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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:10 am    Post subject: Caffeine: Reply with quote

Caffeine:

Since caffeine doping has been de facto legalized by IAAF (track and filed) what are benefits and dangers of caffeine doping:

--1) first of all caffeine seems to be good only as a mild pain killer (thus allowing better stretching), and over shorter of the long distances (1.5 to 10 K or a mile to 6 miles);
--2) from my personal experience and scientific studies: it does not work during interval or repeat exercises; moreover, it can help you only if you can keep even pace or even effort (not exactly the same thing) over the entire distance which in the case of a half—marathon or a longer distance may not be possible; I did drop of coffee (not exactly caffeine) cliff a couple of times, and it was quick, but a long way down to a painful landing.

I always used coffee – in the scientific research they used caffeine.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Still Legal and effective doping -- baking soda: Reply with quote

Still legal – baking soda doping: works well for distances in between 1K and 2K (works best for the mile). The only problem is that the amounts of baking soda to be consumed by the 1 kilo (slightly over 2 lbs) of the body weight are huge, and do usually cause a bad indigestion.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:17 am    Post subject: Most of the illegal doping methods have been ... Reply with quote

Most of the illegal doping methods have been proven scientifically ineffective. (ALL POSTS WITHIN THE THREAD BASED ON The Lore of Running , 4th edition, Noakes, MD, and personal experience).
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few doping methods that do truly work for different reasons. One of the reasons that world elite athletes are not likely to be busted for steroids is because there are so many meets in the IAAF Grand Prix calendars (I mean plural). Without steroids, the athletes would be not able to recover quickly form the injuries and micro—injuries that they suffer, and would not be able to participate in as many meets as they can do under the current circumstance. Lock of the world class athletes in many of the meets would lead to a decrease in the revenue, and many of the meets would be gone. This, in turn again, would decrease the revenue collected by IAAF, area, and national federations.
Dope is good – is not it, if used in moderation? Is it?
This also can explain why the marathon runners do take steroids.
The only way that a world—class athlete gets busted for taking steroids is when they are popping them constantly.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RRN did a study about 10 years ago that showed illegal levels of caffeine to actually be less effective than sub-legal cutoff ones.

It was a "drug" begging to be taken off the banned list...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
RRN did a study about 10 years ago that showed illegal levels of caffeine to actually be less effective than sub-legal cutoff ones.

It was a "drug" begging to be taken off the banned list...

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I did the right thing by drinking a large cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee instead of swallowing caffeine pills like others.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to many studies, hydration does legally aid runners in achieving better times. However, if I ever were able to run a mile at a competitive level (it will not happen), I would consider the baking soda doping avenue. The only side effect could be that the reporters and photographers would not like me much, since I would have to quickly run away to bathroom the minute that the race would be over.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan's exactly right, the caffeine ban was a joke. The levels were so high you would actually experience diarrhea if you took enough to fail the test.

There has been some discussion about bicarbonate buffering lactate. I don't know about the latest research. Baking soda?? An 1/8 tsp contains 150 mg of sodium. That means a tsp is well over a gram. Most supplements will contain both sodium and potassium bicarbonate. Considering the relationship between those two electrolytes, to mess around with baking soda alone would be inviting disaster.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a guy in a college meet I ran in way back when suffer the after effects of baking soda doping... He was on hands and knees after the race, frothing at the mouth, seemingly endlessly.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
I saw a guy in a college meet I ran in way back when suffer the after effects of baking soda doping... He was on hands and knees after the race, frothing at the mouth, seemingly endlessly.

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How did he do? Do you know, if he improved his personal best?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea, it wasn't someone I knew. He didn't run anything spectacular, even by small meet standards.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It makes me guess that the guy was testing the idea of baking soda doping, and plausibly overdone it.
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