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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 10:38 am    Post subject: All-Time Long Jump Reply with quote

Think about it,what would Carl of jumped in Tokyo if the wind had been +1.0m/s or +2.0m/s instead of -0.2m/s?
Carl Lewis 8.87m,-0.2m/s,
Carl Lewis 9.00m,+1.0m/s,
Carl Lewis 9.16m,+2.0m/s.
What would Mike have jumped in Tokyo if the wind had been +1.0m/s or +2.0m/s instead of +0.3m/s?
Mike Powell 8.95m,+0.3m/s,
Mike Powell 9.01m,+1.0m/s,
Mike Powell 9.09m,+2.0m/s.
Think about it,yeah!??!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to feel differently about wind assistance in the jumps and hurdles than I do in the sprints ... In the jumps you have two separate components (run up AND jump) ... Whereas the extra wind may have helped while in the air, it may also have changed the run up ... So the entire jump may have been altered ... An inch different on the run up makes for an entirely different jump !!! So really hard to speculate aabout "what if" on the long and triple jumps when it comes to altering data ...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 11:21 am    Post subject: All-Time Long Jump Reply with quote

Hmmm.....Interesting follow up,Thanks Conway!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, wind assistance has much more influence on stride length than on stride frequency. The more wind there is, the longer the stride is. That means that if there had been +2.0m/s instead of 0.0m/s, jumper may have foul the jump!
Same for hurdlers, when there is a lot of wind, they came closer to the hurdles, and if they don't focus on their frequency, they hit the hurdle.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto for pole vault. One could probably summarize that any event which requires precise foot placement or going air borne is very wind dependant.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I think for some athletes a headwind (slight) is actually a benefit as it does force the lengthening of the stride ... Tall and or powerful sprinters and hurdlers I believe run much better and faster into slight headwinds ...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely true for tall hurdlers. I'm not sure I've seen evidence of that for the open sprints, though.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's becasue there haven't been many tall and/or power sprinters during your day !!! LOL ... During the 70's the likes of Steve Williams, Reggie Jones, James Gilkes, Clancy Edwards, Steve Riddick (and others) were definitely at an advantage when the wind went wrong ... Coming into the 80s James Sanford was the pre-eminent power sprinter as coaches began emphasizing "style" more ... Guys like Rosen and Tellez put more emphasis on technique ... "Power" didn't return until Boldon and Greene and company ... Power combined with technique ... And I don't know what happened to the tall sprinter ... All but disappeared ... Wonder why ??
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe because the emphasis on technique made it harder for tall sprinters to excel?

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