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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Running in the cold Reply with quote

Today during practice it was extremely cold, 22 degrees with the wind chill at 14. We were doing some hard hill repeats and the first half i was easily leading the team but then a little bit past halfway i started having trouble breathing and it became so bad i had trouble doing the workout and fell all the way to the back of the group. Is it just the cold screwing with my lungs or possibly something else? When i take long runs in this kind of weather i dont have trouble breathing, so i guess it could just be deeply breathing the extremely cold air. Appreciate any input.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cold air really "burns" the lungs, especially when you're running at high effort levels. It could be that you've acclimated to the cold air for the moderate effort of long runs but shocked the system a bit with the heavy breathing.

I find that in extreme weather, it's often best to start out conservatively and ease into it, letting the body adjust and find a rhythm.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By conservativly do you mean a good warmup? Because i had a half mile warmup, stretch, 2 easy miles and then the workout.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I mean the effort early in the workout. You probably thought you were more ready for the cold than you really were and overdid it early, thus the alarming dropoff from front of the pack to back.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be a man and breathe the hell out of it. It's cold here as well, just let your body adapt. With all the wind, snow, etc., just push through it, get angry with it and run.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres a difference between manning up through it and literally not being able to take a deep breath...

Dan, it was a bit warmer today (18 comapred to 14) and we took a hard tempo, which i handled fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 4* difference when it's in the 40's or 50's doesn't mean much, but that same amount when it's in the teens can make all the difference in the world!

It could also be that your body is acclimating quickly after getting stung on the previous workout...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well then you have to man up on not being able to take a deep breath. You're not there to take care of your body, you're there to damage it. Don't think of manning up that it's for the sake of just getting through the workout, think of it as a new mentality to have confidence. If you're about to throw up or not be able to take another deep breath, then so be it. Think mind over body.

I've had both happen many times. The first is scary because you don't know what to expect but you'll live. It's very hard to reach that stage but you will truly feel what it's like with mind over body. The more you reach that stage, the better you'll race.

There's a movie called Run Reckless with former Olympian Anthony ??? Familgetti or however you spell his name.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssteve235 wrote:
Theres a difference between manning up through it and literally not being able to take a deep breath...

Dan, it was a bit warmer today (18 comapred to 14) and we took a hard tempo, which i handled fine.

In spite of the "folk science," running in the cold weather seems to contribute to development of asthma (I read a couple medical articles about it about two years ago. I do not exactly remember where.)
According to some more esteem US track and field coaches, there should be no dash practice (hill repeats are, in very essence, dashes) in the temperature under 40 F.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did find something else on the Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise-induced_asthma
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are always a lot of variables and a lot of "things that can happen" not only in running, but pretty much everything else as well. Sometimes doctors, scientists, etc. overanalyze things up to the point that it doesn't matter anymore. The thing you said with temperature...well, we can also bring up pollution. I've been told by my AP Environmental teacher that people in our city are at greater risk of asthma due to pollution. So there's a ton of variables out there that are "said" to negatively impact our lives and such, but then again, you have many people who run out at chilling temperatures and are champions. Sometimes you just have to ignore things and just go with it. Whatever goes happens, you know what I mean? Otherwise, we would just be too paranoid to do anything.

I've read about exercise-induced asthma, when I used to cough often from running but it turned out that it was some sort of allergy or something. Nevertheless, if you truly have asthma requiring the need of an inhaler, then you do have a problem. Yeah, you may argue that you can develop asthma and such, but whose really going to start doing medical research and find out? Theory is always easy to talk about but when it comes to reality, it's a little bit different.

From your article:

The most common medication approach is to use a beta agonist about twenty minutes before exercise.[citation needed] Some physicians prescribe inhaled anti-inflammatory mists such as corticosteroids or leukotriene antagonists, and mast cell stabilizers have also proven effective.[citation needed] A randomized crossover study compared oral montelukast with inhaled salmeterol, both given two hours before exercise. Both drugs had similar benefit but montelukast lasted 24 hours.[1]

I think I'd end up doing more research than running. Bottomline: if you're not at an extremely high risk, then don't worry about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh im not worried about developing asthama or any breathing problem so thats not a problem. Ever since that first extremely cold day, ive had no problem breathing and all of my workouts have gone smoothly
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cold weather should not be an excuses for anybody not to run. Excuses are like *ssholes, everyone has one and they all stink. Here is an article that I came across about cold weather running http://www.hawaiianshirtray.com/proper-gear/cold-weather-running-keeping-your-feet-warm-extreme-winter-conditions/

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Here is an article that I came across..."

Irun100s, I don't mind you posting links to your material if it's relevant to the topic and the forum, but all your links in each of your posts are to the same website. That seems quite iffy, as stated as something you ran across. If it's your site being promoted, or someone you're affiliated with, just say so and it will be received much better.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
Cold air really "burns" the lungs, especially when you're running at high effort levels. It could be that you've acclimated to the cold air for the moderate effort of long runs but shocked the system a bit with the heavy breathing.

I find that in extreme weather, it's often best to start out conservatively and ease into it, letting the body adjust and find a rhythm.

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Contrary to the popular belief, cold does not prevent asthma, it contributes to its onset!
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