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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: They should change the $$ rules because of doping... Reply with quote

..this is my proposal:
Since they do keep samples for up to 8 years, the athletes participating in any meet sanctioned by either IAAF or an Area fedderation should be paid only half--the--money due; the other half should be paid only after 8 years pass.
Why?
Because when they would be asked back to give it back, they would have no excuse, and "I spent it" is not a great excuse. It could motivate them to invest it wisely. Moreover, they would have to think about the future such as Wills (who should get the money in case that they die or are in coma).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine you'd have a tough time getting that one by the various labor laws.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another problem involves situations where substances have only recently been banned. If a substance wasn't banned, until say 2005, and you go back to his or her sample from 2002 and find out they had been using it, they can't really be punished for that.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they invest with them etc. then they can still say they spent it. Or do you mean spending it on banned substances? And investing can cause you to lose the money too, well it depends-investing in stocks or in property?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't force someone to invest their salary.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that I am changing the subject, but what do you think about Ms. Williams' comment about the Voo--Doo doll after the US women's relay was DQ'ed in the semifinal?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
You can't force someone to invest their salary.

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Who's that for Indeurr or me? Because he mentioned investing too...
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan is right; I did not mean you can force anyone -- what I meant was that it could encourage athletes to make wise investments.

It is the same as in the case of professional team sports in the USA (NFL, NBA tec.): youths are urged to stay in school (college or vocational), but if they choose to do otherwise, they can and they do; and this is how it is supposed to be!

I agree as well that any law, sports' lawas included, and most especially the punitive part of it, shall never work backwards: if substance was not on the banned substances list in let say 2006, the athlete cannot be punished for using it during the 2006 season, except for making the results of the re-test at the end of the 8--year period public.
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Think about it; athletes make millions already. That's like saying don't download music because the artist loses money? Athletes have PLENTY to invest. Hicham bought his own custom-made house with a museum. With the 8 year rule, I don't quite agree because I think they should receive their full salary. Simply by not being able to spend it as much after such hard work is traumatizing. It lowers the buying power of an athlete and enjoyment. If you were the athlete, would you personally want to be paid only half the total salary after 8 years? But from the drug use reason point of view then I would agree. You're the IAAF. You pay someone who cheats with illegal substances. You practically lost some money, thus it's not fair. As long as the IAAF pays, then they should have the right to ask for the money back if the athlete is caught. Then again, this will have a negative affect on the athletes that never took an illegal substance. It's one of those things that applies to everyone when instead it should apply separately. Your idea is only in favor for the IAAF, but not for those who know it isn't their case. That's like lowering an athlete's reward to that of a middleclassman. I disagree with that, the idea of being an athlete should be much more rewarding-like a celebrity. If the IAAF pays half the amount, then that lowers the quality of life of some athletes. If the full amount is paid, then it can result in a loss from an athlete caught. Even if the athlete is "banned," that still won't make up for the money lost by the IAAF. The solution? None. The solution is already there. First off, there's always an athlete that cheats, but that group of athletes using banned substances is a minority. The majority are already aware of the laws. As long as the majority don't use a banned substance, then the profit will be greater for the IAAF. Afterall, the IAAF pays athletes, but they make a profit from somewhere right? So why should the IAAF complain just because their profit is slightly lower? Other than that there's not much that can be done to prevent 100% of the athletes from using banned substances. The IAAF has to be flexible, they can't go down only one road.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stopped reading after your third sentence... Very few T&F athletes make that kind of money. It isn't a highly lucrative sport, and the duration of average careers is not long enough to accumulate great wealth. Some world class athletes get little more than free shoes from their sponsors.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan, that was funny!! Laughing

Angelo Z, Indeurr: Let's say you're a world class sprinter with a four year contract at 250K a year, plus bonuses. A year from now, you get caught. Your endorsers cut you off completely. You can't compete, so there are no appearance fees, either. You probably will have to foreclose on that 750K house you just bought. And the IAAF doesn't have to be involved, monetarily, at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that's job security!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
I stopped reading after your third sentence... Very few T&F athletes make that kind of money. It isn't a highly lucrative sport, and the duration of average careers is not long enough to accumulate great wealth. Some world class athletes get little more than free shoes from their sponsors.

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I'm talking about the athletes, not cakewalks. Those people that you mention aren't "athletes." American football players make tons of money too. And Dan, I understand where you actually wanted to hit the nail. But look, the main point was to find a better way than what Indeurr proposed. And Paul it's "logic" that their house will foreclose, that wasn't th idea though. In fact, I think that that post didn't pertain to what I mentioned either. The topic was strictly about how the IAAF can avoid money loss through Indeurr's idea pertaining to the 8 year samples. I can tell that 4 lines wasn't enough that you thoroughly read Indeurr's proposal.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, only the top handful of T&F'ers in the world count as athletes? Wow, that's some tough criteria. Shocked

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