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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:58 am    Post subject: Tim Mongtomery Reply with quote

I know this news is almost a fortnight old, but Run-Down has to give some of its comments to what has happened in the whole THG situation and the banning of Montgomery.

I agree with his banning and believe that Marion should suffer the same fate. When is her hearing scheduled for???
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really haven't followed it all that much. I guess I'd say it's basically what was expected, although I don't think it's right coming down that hard when someone hasn't even tested positive. It's like they're trying to cover for their own testing inadequacies by shifting the attention and blame. Of course, it doesn't help that neither Montgomery or Gaines testified at their own hearings, apparently. Sort of tough to argue your case that way...

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2257596

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"It is always a great day for clean athletes when individuals who cheat are held accountable and stripped of the rewards gained through doping," USADA chief executive officer Terry Madden said in a statement.

It's not such a great day when you consider the likelihood of rewarding another doped athlete in the process by readjusting the medals.

I haven't seen what happens to the status of the relays Montgomery and Gaines ran on. Question Are those results being stripped and/or the other athletes excused of the whole "tainting" thing?

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"One of the big outstanding questions is, how much evidence is enough for a doping agency to find an athlete guilty without a positive test?"

There's the million dollar question...

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USADA originally sought lifetime bans for both runners but lowered its request to four years after dropping charges of "assisting or inciting" doping and "trafficking" in drugs.

That troubles me. They were clearly going for the maximum punishment available and sidestepping anything tangible in order to get there. Testimony of someone else deemed to be cheating is enough to condemn people now?

No idea when Marion steps up to the guillotine...

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

" haven't seen what happens to the status of the relays Montgomery and Gaines ran on. Are those results being stripped and/or the other athletes excused of the whole "tainting" thing? "
___|I think that after M. Johnson precedence, it will take more than one relay member for the relay to get disqualified, and only, if the athlete ran in the final; or Johnson's relay might have been special.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive my faulty memory, but which Micheal Johnson incident are you referring to? Confused Oh, do you mean the Harrisons with MJ as one of the team members?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
Forgive my faulty memory, but which Micheal Johnson incident are you referring to? Confused Oh, do you mean the Harrisons with MJ as one of the team members?

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My memory is the rustiest; they did indeed get DQ'ed.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I figured would be the case here. USATF's stand has long been that relays, and sometimes even other competitors, are tainted even retroactively.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything that Montgomery and Gaines ran gets stripped - including relays ... And that comes down from the IAAF ... So there will be some issues with giving medals back in the relays ...

Very unfortunate ... But there is prescedent now, with MJ refusing to give his medal back from 2000 ... So will be interesting to see what stand both USATF and IAAF take on this issue ...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a lot of relays... Good thing the US dropped the baton in most of them. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now THAT would be funny if it weren't so sadly true !!!! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without individuals there is no competition, but, with respect to the US dashers, the teamwork is under appreciated.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Everything that Montgomery and Gaines ran gets stripped - including relays ... And that comes down from the IAAF ... So there will be some issues with giving medals back in the relays ...

Very unfortunate ... But there is prescedent now, with MJ refusing to give his medal back from 2000 ... So will be interesting to see what stand both USATF and IAAF take on this issue ...


Will Marion Jones loose any relay medals? She is a survivor of this entire mess -- is not she? I do believe, but I may be wrong, that she was very lucky not to get caught.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple months ago, I did read a comment by Marcin Urbas, on line, in the outmost South Poland’s daily news paper, Dziennik Polski. He said that he cannot believe that an athlete can go true six heats over a couple days performing his best in nearly every heat without doping.
Well, he knows something, but his knowledge is wrong.
Do athletes dope in between meets to recover, and does IAAF look the other way for profit reasons? I do believe that they do (both).
However, if you read Lore of Running by Tim Noakes, MD, you learn that all it takes not to get tired, and perform at the highest level is either a 66.6% or 100% oxygen mixture. An athlete breaths this kind of mixture for a couple minutes just before his or her very first competition. It works like dope, or even better.
Do athletes dope during pre-competitive period – probably most of them do.
However, he is wrong in this particular case.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It isn't a matter of not getting tired, it's the stresses placed on the muscles and tendons to perform at that level of intensity repeatedly in such a short period of time. Oxygen masks will have no effect on that.

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A professional athlete learns how to live with pain. In the case of minor pain: small amounts of caffeine may relieve it. Yes – the tendons will get damaged, but taking steroids, in small doses, in between meets will make healing quick.
What the breathing of the pure or close to pure oxygen seems to do is to prevent the accumulation the lactic acid or “oxygenated” lactic acid. I do make a distinction clear between the lactic acid and “oxygenated” lactic acid because lactic acid may be responsible for the so—called second—breath in the ultra—marathon road races: during a very long race people seem to be able to utilize lactic acid as a source of energy that runs out ones it becomes “oxygenated.”
I love the many levels of energy systems:

Alactic: pure burn just like the cold fusion lasts only 4 to 7 seconds can be extended trough the cheating of the neuro--muscular system (1s at maximum speed and 1s at near max), so the brain does not shot down the muscles, and the alactic system does not get overstrained too soon: uses energy already stored in every single cell.
40 yards to 400 meters

Anaerobic or Lactic: uses energy stored in the muscles at large, so to speak.
200 meters to 3000 meters

Aerobic: uses energy stored in the body
600 meters to marathon (circa 42 K or 25 miles)

Lactic Byproduct: 30 K to 100 K or so.


Dan, whether you agree or not, please, and the old timers, and coaches, please do not give anyone a hint or a clue, why do the above overlap, and why should they overlap?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aerobic can also be alactic. Alactic simply means you are hardly creating any lactate. Running at less than 60-65% max HR would accomplish this.
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