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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:18 pm    Post subject: New Rule For Relays: Top Sixteen Reply with quote

Part of the 2004 Olympic Games Entry Standards:


Best 16 National Teams
4x100m
men and women
Best 16 National Teams
4x400m
men and women



This may not be the best idea. There are many national relays that are able to put one decent race a year. The problem is One Decent Race A Year only.
Are they going to introduce national relays to the ranking?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't really expect us to know what the heck you're talking about??? Is this commentary on the entry standards, the size of the fields, medal counts, a new event, or?? Confused

It would really help if you explain what you're discussing before posing the question...

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
You can't really expect us to know what the heck you're talking about??? Is this commentary on the entry standards, the size of the fields, medal counts, a new event, or?? Confused

It would really help if you explain what you're discussing before posing the question...

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I agree ... It could be an interesting subject IF I knew what you are talking about ...

If it is some type of proposal, I'm not sure how it would ever work as most countries don't run relays other than Worlds and Olympics ... Therefore there are no times to compare and no top 16 (or top anything) lists to base entry on ...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conway wrote:
Dan wrote:
You can't really expect us to know what the heck you're talking about??? Is this commentary on the entry standards, the size of the fields, medal counts, a new event, or?? Confused

It would really help if you explain what you're discussing before posing the question...

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I agree ... It could be an interesting subject IF I knew what you are talking about ...

If it is some type of proposal, I'm not sure how it would ever work as most countries don't run relays other than Worlds and Olympics ...
Therefore there are no times to compare and no top 16 (or top anything) lists to base entry on ...


___Therefore, you can see the problem with the revised, just a couple days ago, 2004 Olympic Games Entry Standards. According to the 2004 Olympic Games Entry Standards, top sixteen relays both men and women 4x100 and 4x400 will qualify for the Olympics.
___What are they going to base that on? I believe that the IAAF is going to base that on the best performance lists. This does not seem to be the best idea, at least in my humble opinion.
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___I believe that it would be just to base it on both the relay and group individual times (the sum of the top four individual performances within the qualifying period within a single nation). This would favor teams that would try to qualify through running the actual relay race, but leave a window of opportunity for the teams with very good individual sprinters.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how there can really be any entry standard for relays, since they aren't contested at national championships or any of the main meets during the summer series. Many countries will not have a time from top level competition, and many others will have times from iffy meets and questionable circumstances. There's virtually no head to head competition in relay qualifying, so any sort of selection criteria is going to be heavily skewed.

Unless, of course, part of the plan is to also introduce relay competitions during the season...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

____I hope that Dan is right. However, if he is not, many teams will have to go out of their way to run a relay in an IAAF bona fide competition. Thumbs Down

___Does any body know what are the entree standards for the Indoor World Championships next year? I still cannot believe that they changed the schedule of the IWC.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"pavvka (BRU) (Senior Member) 30/11/2003 8:30:39 PM Reply Edit
The basis for qualification is actually the average of the two best times during the qualifying period (which started on January 1, 2003). And no, individual times cannot be substituted. The teams which did well in the World Champs should have no problem - they can use their times from the heats and final in Paris. For others, it may not be so easy - especially for those countries which were not present at WCh. They may need to arrange special meets to achieve qualifying times... especially in the 4x400, it may be a problem.

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___It may get funny. Let say, for example, that four teams get knocked-out of the Olympics on the last qualifying date. For many teams trying to qualify early or relying on the times from the last WC may mean not qualifying at all.
___4X400 MEN as of 2003:
1. USA >3
2. France>3
3. Jamaica>3
4. Bahamas
5. Great Britain and N.I.
6. Dominican Republic 3:02.02 ___ (Peguero Arismendi, Santa Carlos, Vidal Julio, SŖnchez Felix)

7. Botswana
8. Spain
9. Greece
10. Japan
11. Trinidad and Tobago
12. Germany
13. Australia
14. Canada
15. South Africa 3 :03.05 ___ (La Grange Marcus, Cilliers Ockert, Myburgh Alwyn, Gorries Paul)
16. Sri Lanka 3:03.05 (no listing at IAAF)
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17.Ukraine_3:03.15 ___ (Demchenko Volodymyr, Zyukov Yevgeniy, Gorbenko Gennadiy, Tverdostup Andriy)
18. Poland Under 23 _3:03.32 ___ (Wieruszewski Rafal, Skalski Kacper, Dabrowski Daniel, Plawgo Marek)
19. Russia _3:03.40 ___ (Usov Aleksandr, Semyonov Andrey, Forshev Dmitriy, Borzakovskiy Yuriy)
20. Netherlands_3:04.16 ___ (van Rhee Rikkert, Som Bram, van Balkom Patrick, Lathouwers Robert)
21. Ireland ___ 3:04.31 (McKee Paul, Ryan Gary, McCarthy David, Gillick David)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a ridiculous qualifying procedure. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Neutral

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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 6:45 am    Post subject: Asian Front Reply with quote

38.35s in 4*100m and 3.01.70 in 4*400m -- quote from www.iaaf.org forums
Japan is in, and . . . out. It seems to be certain that Japan has qualified for the Olympics in both men's 4 x 100 m, and 4 x 400 m. However, it seems that the Japanese 4 x 100 m relay, at least, if not 4 x 400 m relay, have already ran their best for the season, and will be a none--factor teams during the Olympics.
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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2004 10:17 am    Post subject: Asian Front II Reply with quote

''With Shingo Suetsugu, Parisí World bronze medallist at 200m, running the second leg of 4x100m Relay, the Japanese national team not only won the relay but came within 0.04 seconds of the national record (38.31, 1997). '' - source: IAAF
Asahara Nobuharu

2 Kojima Shigeyuki JPN 10.45

4 Takahira Shinji JPN 10.58
5 Ishikura Kazuki JPN 10.64
6 Miyazaki Hisashi JPN 10.64

It ssems most likely that Japn ran with Asahara Nobuharu as the anchor, Takahira Shinji on the first leg, Shingo Suetsugu on the second leg, and either Ishikura Kazuki or Miyazaki Hishahi on the third leg. I believe that with respect to the third leg, the best guess would have to be based on which of the two above--mentioned sprinters is a better turn--runner (or which is a 200 m specialist).

My guess is:
LEG 1: Takahira Shinji
LEG 2: Shingo Seutsegu
LEG 3: Ishikira Kazuki or Miyazaki Hishahi
Anchor: Asahara Nobuharu
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 10:49 pm    Post subject: OFFICIAL IAAF QUALIFICATION RANKING OF RELAYS Reply with quote

http://www.iaaf.org/newsfiles/lists/2004/athens/athensrelays.pdf
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 1:09 pm    Post subject: Sunday, May 16 2004 Grande Premio Rio de Atletismo Rio de Reply with quote

___Sunday, May 16, 2004 Grande Premio Rio de Atletismo Rio de Janeiro (BRA) GP II, and GP I in Belem. Brazil, on the 23rd of May, 2004 are going to provide an opportunity for the national relay teams to qualify for the Olympics. Tomorrow, a road to Athens will be opened to men's and women's 4 x 100 m, and 4 x 400 m relay teams. In addition, a mixed medley relay is going to be competed outside of the GP format on a trial basis.
___Source: IAAF www.iaaf.org
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to congratulate Mrs. Irena Szewinska - - Kirszenstein;
___the president of the PZLA -- Polish Athletic Federation, the best Polish athlete ever (the gold Olympic medalist in the 200 m and 400 m races as well as the first woman to hold world records for 100 m, 200 m, and 400 m at the same time), a great Polish track and field activist; and the highest committee within PZLA,
__the courage to choose the athletes on the Olympic Polish relay teams, limit the number of athletes on the relay teams to five, and thus ultimately take personal responsibility herself for the
results of the Polish 4 x 100 m men's relay, 4 x 400 m men's relay, and 4 x 400 m women's relay.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"pavvka (DJI) (Senior Member) 22/07/2004 1:24:22 PM Reply
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Here's the Polish team, as it stands now, with SBs listed (except
the marathon and 50k walk, where some of the qualifying times are
from last year)

Men
100: Lukasz Chyla 10.20
200: Marcin Urbas 20.73, Marcin Jedrusinski 20.90(qualified as part
of 4x100 relay team - both have A standard from last year)
400: Piotr Klimczak 45.90 (qualified with the relay)
marathon: Grzegorz Gajdus 2:09:23, Waldemar Glinka 2:12:13, Michal
Bartoszak 2:13:31
110H: Tomasz Scigaczewski 13.50
3000SC: Jakub Czaja 8:22.51, Jan Zakrzewski 8:23.11, Radoslaw
Poplawski 8:23.32
HJ: Grzegorz Sposob 2.34, Robert Wolski 2.30
PV: Adam Kolasa 5.65
HT: Szymon Ziolkowski 79.41
4x100: Chyla, Zbigniew Tulin, Jedrusinski, Urbas, Michal Bielczyk,
Przemyslaw Rogowski
4x400: Marcin Marciniszyn, Klimczak, Rafal Wieruszewski, Artur
Gasiewski, Piotr Rysiukiewicz, Piotr Kedzia
20k walk: Beniamin Kucinski 1:20:52
50k walk: Robert Korzeniowski 3:36:03, Roman Magdziarczyk 3:44:53,
Grzegorz Sudol 3:55:40
Women
200: Anna Pacholak 23.34 (qualified with the relay)
400: Grazyna Prokopek 51.73 (qualified with the relay)
1500: Lidia Chojecka 4:02.83, Wioletta Janowska 4:04.35, Anna
Jakubczak 4:05.65
marathon: Grazyna Syrek 2:26:22, Malgorzata Sobanska 2:27:50, Monika
Drybulska 2:33:27
100H: Aurelia Trywianska 12.79
400H: Malgorzata Pskit 55.31, Anna Jesien 55.85 (qualified with the
relay and has the A standard from last year)
PV: Anna Rogowska 4.71, Monika Pyrek 4.60
TJ: Liliana Zagacka 14.20
SP: Krystyna Zabawska 18.93
DT: Wioletta Potepa 62.90, Joanna Wisniewska 62.79
HT: Kamila Skolimowska 71.51
JT: Barbara Madejczyk 61.36
Hep: Magdalena Szczepanska 6115
4x400: Pskit, Monika Bejnar, Prokopek, Zuzanna Radecka, Jesien,
Pacholak
20k walk: Sylwia Korzeniowska 1:31:30

Additions are still possible, but the president of the NOC stated
people will only be added if they achieve results of a very high
standard (i.e. something well in excess of the A standard). Marek
Plawgo seems to have a good shot based on his first race of the
season, but I'm not sure anyone else can do it... unless Alek
Walerianczyk recaptures his 2.36 form... "

quoted after pavvka or Pawel Jackowski from www.iaaf.org fora, a
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___Well, Urbas and Jedrusinski are going to the Olympics. Be ready for some fire works. You should expect the 'usual,'not just from Urbas and Jedrusinski, but from the entire Polish 4 x 100 meters relay members, including Chyla. Over next month you will hear how injured, weak, and out of shape they are.
___Within a week from the Olympics, you should see the first decent race ran by Urbas, Jedrusinski, and Chyla. It should not be great. They should run about 20.40 to 20.50, Urbas and Jedrusinski, and 10.25 to 10.30, Chyla. They should complaine about that they are not ready for the Olympics.
___With respect to Urbas and Jedrusinski,their first decent races should come from quaterfinal heats. They both should try to finish high enough to avoid getting lanes 1,2, and 8 in the final. Their best races should happen in the semifinal heats.
____With respect to Chyla, his best race should come in a quaterfinal heat, and possibly the semifinal heat.
___However, if any or all three above--mentioned sprinters are going to get to the final, they are not going to perform their best. Why? It is very simple. Their chances of winning a medal on individual basis are near zero. Therefore, they are going to focus their efforts on the final of the 4 x 100 meters relay.
___They already missed an oportunity to be a bronze medalists from Paris. How? Well, they put their sights too high. They wanted to chase Brasil. Brasil finished third; and after the British were disqualified, the Brasilians are the silver medalists. However, in their effort to chase Brasil, they did not pay attention to other teams. The Dutch relay in lane eight or seven did edge them for the fourth place, that after the disqualification of the British relay, gave them third place or a bronze medal.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that putting Urbas on my Fantasy team was a mistake. However, I did put him not to score points, but as my personal e-mail friend.
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