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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 3:39 pm    Post subject: Drummond and the starting block fiasco Reply with quote

There's much more to the story than the IAAF has fessed up to so far. A report was forwarded to the t-and-f list today about the swimming federation scrapping their relationship with Seiko (same provider as the IAAF's timing equipment) due to major technical problems at their championships. Additionally, I was sent the following privately by a very reputable source with permission to re-post it:

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i called finishlynx today and found out that the seiko pads are new..it's questionable if they had been previously tested...
too sensitive...finishlynx said their devices (used here-seiko iaaf sponsor!) would not have detected jon's foot movement...had it not been a quick gun, there would have been no disq....people should also question the .052...it would have been an obvious break, compared to the other reaction times...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm ... Very interesting ... Is that repeatable ???
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I was told to go ahead and post it anywhere and everywhere. The "source" has sent it to several IAAF people responsible for the council decisions on the matter, USATF (Masback), etc., and is awaiting responses.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the swimming article:

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July 28, 2001

Time runs out for Seiko
From Craig Lord in Fukuoka

Fina, the international governing body, has washed its hands of the
controversial Seiko timing system that was used for the world
championships in Fukuoka by announcing a three-event deal with Swiss Timing.

The deal will cover the world short-course championships in Moscow next
year and the world championships (long-course) in Barcelona in 2003 and
Montreal in 2005. Sam Ramsamy, spokesperson for Fina and a member of the
International OLympic Committee, said: "We've no qualms about the system
as such - it has a fine reputation in international events."

Perhaps no longer, after a spate of incorrect times at the Marine Messe
pool that had to be adjusted by either the back-up timing or by using video
evidence. The issue has never been as controversial, unprecedented as it
is to have the main timing system fail as frequently as it has done in
Fukuoka.

If any explanation was forthcoming from Fina, which made its answers on
the issue as evasive as possible yesterday, then it was that swimmers were to
blame. Cornel Marculescu, Director of Fina, said that swimmers "had to hit
it (electronic timing pad) in the right way" because the system was not
geared to register a "soft" touch.

It required a pressure of at least 1.5kg to recognise a swimmer's touch.
That the swimmer must adjust to the electronic timing equipment and not
the equipment to the swimmer is a bizarre situation that no-one can
remember ever happening before, not even in the world of Masters swimming,
where octogenarians compete and are likely to have a very soft touch indeed
by the end of races. "I can't remember it ever having been a problem at
that level," said

Derek Parr, a journalist at the championships in Fukuoka who is also a
world masters butterfly champion in his age group. Ramsamy said that Fina
"genuinely and honestly believe that no swimmer and no team has been
prejudiced by what has happened.

In sports, losers do complain." It was a bizarre answer to a question that
simply will not go away. One news agency was today displaying pictures
that clearly show the video finish of a race telling one result and the
subsequent result showing something quite different. In one case the
timing system had recorded a time 1.1 seconds adrift the time that
eventually appeared on the result sheet.

Fina said that the timing back-up system employed when the pads at the
end of lanes failed to register a result on the scoreboard, or registered an
incorrect result, had worked "in all cases" in Fukuoka. Again, it blamed
sore losers, saying: "In all sports, there are individuals and teams who
do not necessarily agree with the results. Swimming is no exception.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I echo the sentiments of simon barnes , the times chief sports correspondent regarding the drummond fiasco.

I quote ' The Drummond Debacle shows a classic vice of sports administrators: a preference for the worship of rules over the pursuit of common sense. And,alas, the increasing availability of fancy technology exarcerbates the rule-worshipping tendency in sport'.

He also writes. 'Drummond thought about false-starting, thats all. And for that he was chucked out......... But these days, sports technology has the power to look into mens souls. It divined the half-formed___ and instantly suppressed ____ thought of an early getaway and the law acted instantly and brutally. It was like being divorced for ogling a pretty girl'.

He concludes 'Drummond's foot-twitch was enough to trigger the false-start technology. He neither gained nor sought to gain an adavntage'.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well written. Makes me think of how similar the situation is to the movie Minority Report. We definitely don't want to go there...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minority Report analogy, now, that's interesting!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just read that Drummond ran in the first round of the 4x100. I thought he was officially out of the rest fo the season? Can anyone confirm his participation?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Jon is not running ... He is done for the year ... Had an email conversation with him earlier ... His concern now is whether or not they will try to ban him for life ... Which is a possibility -- that they will try ...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must've been misreported. Neutral

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His concern now is whether or not they will try to ban him for life ...

Are they really pushing for that?? They might as well ban spectators for life, too, if that's the decision they make. Thumbs Down

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the cold light of day JD will realise that he acted a fair bit childish, but then again when he looks at how he acted,he explains that the IAAF was telling him to walk away from his dream which he has trained hard for for the past 2yrs.

But hwen JD says that he is concerned that the IAAF will ban him for life, well I think that the IAAF has gone too far this time...

Life bans are for druggies not for JD...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well apparently that is the word floating around ... Supposedly that is why even though he voluntarily left the meet they still went ahead and kicked him out ... Apparently setting the stage for further action ...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they opt to ban Drummond, I say we start a grass roots petition to ban (boycott) the IAAF... Neither one does anyone any good, so I say fight fire with fire and try teaching those idiots a lesson.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been thinking along those line ... We're back to the old AAU mentality ...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does seem that way. We should be learning from history's lessons, not ignoring them. The AAU was universally detested by the athletes. Is that really the role model the IAAF wants to be adopting?

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