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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 11:51 am    Post subject: 10m Splits Reply with quote

Does anyone need any,not bragging,but I have loads,from OG,WCh,ComG,EurCh & Many more!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure ... I'd love to have them all ... I would also like to know what the source is so that I know how to evaluate them ...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 1:26 pm    Post subject: 10m Splits Reply with quote

I have 10m Split's of Men's 1987,1991,1997,1999 & 2001 WCh 100m Final,1988 OG(I have Flo-Jo's as well),Flo-Jo's 100m & 200m(50m Splits) WR's,DB's Atlanta Splits(100m),MJ's Atlanta Splits(200m),MO Greene's 9.79s Splits,9.80s Splits,9.87s OG Splits,9.82s WCh Splits,KK's Munich 19.85s 50m Splits,MJ's Atlanta 50m Splits,Ato's Athen's 1997 200m WCh Splits,Ato's 19.77s Splits,MO's 19.86s 50m Splits,MO's 1999 200m WCh 50m Splits,MO's 9.86s Berlin Splits(Last 50m in 4.19s!!),Women's 1999 WCh 100m 10m Splits(Marion Jones,Inger Miller,Ekaterina Thanou,Zhanna P-Block & Gail Devers)Marion Jones' Sydney 2000 100m Final 10m Splits.I also have the Fastest 4 leg's for each Relay from Men's 4x100m,4x200m & 4x400m to Women's 4x100m,4x200m & 4x400m.That's about it though,for the moment!!
If I find any more I shall return!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what do I have to do to get this data ???
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 9:44 am    Post subject: 10m Splits Reply with quote

If you could give me your e-mail address,I will e-mail them to you.My e-mail is martin.senior@btopenworld.com Cool Cool :supergrin:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2002 11:26 am    Post subject: 10m Splits Reply with quote

Oops,Sorry Conway,I have found it.I shall send them to you as soon as possible.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting data ... I went through it a litle last night and am going to really go through it this weekend ... Data on major 100 meter races, some 200 meter races, and sprint relay splits ... And data on both men and women ... I wish I could substantiate the data ... Fastest 10 meter segments are .83's by Greene and Montgomery in various different races .. Shows a couple og sub 10.20 first 100's in a couple of 200 races other than the 96 Olympic final ... And there is a sub 10.00 relay leadoff for Jon Drummond !!!! Justin where are you ??? would you like a copy ??? Interesting data ...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:46 am    Post subject: 10m Splits Reply with quote

Yeah Jon really KINGED that curve!!!
Conway,I have found some more 'Stats',such as Ato's 10m Splits of his 9.86s in Athens 1999,Inger Miller's 50m Split's of her 200m WCh Sevilla win,100m Splits of Men's 1999 WCh 400m Final,as well as the Women's 100m Splits of their 400m 1999 WCh Final in Sevilla,as well as others.I shall e-mail them to you,ad you an use them for your own personal use or give them to friends or just do what you want with them,after I have
e-mailed them to you,they are your's!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure I would like any data that you have ... I find it very interesting ...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2002 12:39 pm    Post subject: 10m Splits Reply with quote

Sure Conway,anything that I find,I shall send it to you.
Oh,did you get my last e-mail?.If you didn't,I would be happy to re-send it to you a.s.a.p.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for clarity, the 10m splits X-King lists are official but most of the 4x1 splits, 200m halway splits and some of the others are derived from videotape analysis.

This is very interesting and diligent work, but it is important to distinguish official auto-times from a type of analysis which, even when done with scrupulous care has a wide margin for error (especially compared to official times, which are always recorded to thousandths of a second)

Great work though X-King. I was especially intrigued by the splits for Mo before he broke down in the 2001 WC - he hit 50m in 5.50 and 60m in 6.33, much the fastest ever recorded. He would have pulverised the WR - I estimate he was heading for at least 9.72 or 9.73, perhaps faster. But can he ever get there again, or was he unlucky enough to get injured just as he was in the process of running the race of a lifetime?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back, Justin! You've been rather silent lately...

All official times get recorded to the thousandth? Where are such records kept? Having done quite a bit of auto-timing myself, I'm rather surprised by that. It would be rather annoying from the timing crew's standpoint to have to record to thousandths but quickly spit out times to hundredths for TV/announcing/results (unless their timing systems do both at the same time).

Here's a possibly interesting question for you, Conway, or X-King: If you took the fastest 10m increments ever recorded for each segment and assembled them into the "perfect race," what would the time be?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well according to my new and improved,updated sources I have compiled a list of both Men's and Women's All-Time Best 10m increments/segments:

MEN

0-10m:1.70s(Minus RT) Raymond Stewart(JAM) '91,MO Greene(USA) '99&'01 & Tim Montgomery(USA) '01&'02(Ben Johnson(CAN) 1.70s DQ.'8Cool
10m-20m:1.00s Bruny Surin(CAN)'99 & MO Greene(USA) '01
20m-30m:0.89s MO Greene(USA) '00
30m-40m:0.86s MO Greene(USA) '00
40m-50m:0.84s MO Greene(USA) '99(Ben Johnson(CAN) DQ.'8Cool
50m-60m:0.82s MO Greene(USA) '00(x3) & '01
60m-70m:0.83s Donovan Bailey(CAN) '96 & MO Greene(USA) '00(x3)& '01
70m-80m:0.83s Carl Lewis(USA) '91 & MO Greene(USA) '00
80m-90m:0.85s MO Greene(USA) '00
90m-100m:0.85s Carl Lewis(USA) '84 & MO Greene(USA) '99
Total:9.47s(WSB)
Total+ Average RT of the races in which the 10m Segment best was set:
(Average RT,0.151s/0.15092s rounded-up)=9.62s/9.621s rounded down
9.62s

WOMEN
0-10m:1.80s M.Jones(USA) '00
10m-20m:1.06s M.Jones(USA) '98
20m-30m:0.99s C.Arron(FRA)'98 & M.Jones(USA) '98 & '99
30m-40m:0.96s M.Jones(USA)'98
40m-50m:0.92s Flo-Jo(USA) '88
50m-60m:0.90s Flo-Jo(USA) '88
60m-70m:0.90s Flo-Jo(USA) '88
70m-80m:0.91s Flo-Jo(USA) '88
80m-90m:0.91s Flo-Jo(USA) '88
90m-100m:0.92s Flo-Jo(USA) '88
Total:10.27s(World Segment Best/WSB)
Total+ Average RT of the races in which the 10m Segment best was set:
(Average RT,0.144s/0.143666s reoccurring,Rounded-up)=10.41s
10.41s
I personally think that only until someone(a Man or Women) beats those times in thier sex category that then,and only then they shall be know as 'The Perfect Sprinter'.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting, thanks. Notice how the all-time best splits as a collective lot perfectly follow the typical race pattern? The thing that stands out to me is how even the cutdowns are between splits, even though they're from different races/athletes. Also interesting that it hints at the best women's races having held top speed slightly longer than the top men's.

I'm most surprised by Marion having the best recorded first 10m, seeing as how that's typically her glaring weakness.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 06, 2003 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is interesting is that the current women's WR is near that perfect race !!!! And that if Mo would put all of his best segments togehter he obliterates the men's WR ... Which says that MO "should" be able to come back with a WR that is clear of the 9.70 level without having to run his perfect race !!!
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