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Conway · Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 8:40 am Post subject:

When you said JJ and Hayes were you referring to JJ Johnson or to my reference to John Carlos ?? And I would be curious as to Justin's take .. On them and Lewis .. And even Bailey .. Smile

And was not trying to start a thread on smokers .. ust the closest that comes to mind when discusing people who have done well in spite of ... Smile

Dan · Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 8:46 am Post subject:

I mean JJ Johnson. Was John Carlos known as JJ?

Bailey is an interesting one. What did he take off before his comeback, something like 5 or 6 years? That would certainly indicate a lot of natural talent waiting to be discovered. Can you even call it a comeback it if instantly hits a higher level than was left off at??

Conway · Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 11:51 am Post subject:

No Carlos wasn't known as JJ .. Just wasn't sure if you were responding based on my previous post where I mentioed Carlos (they both begin with J) ..

I don't have the whole history on Bailey .. I thought he was a late starter .. Wasn't aware he had any history prior to .. If he had competed before I would be very interested to know at what level ..

Perhaps he was something like Delano Merriwether ... Smile

And I won't mention smokers any mroe Smile

Dan · Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 11:57 am Post subject:

I'm not sure if Bailey competed in college, but I seem to recall reading that he did and that's how he hooked up with his eventual pro coach. Heading into the 150m match race with MJ, the story was that Bailey was actually a very good 200m runner as a junior (doesn't surprise me at all, based on his late race 100m ability when "on") but ran very little of it because of the strain it put on his knee. If that had been reported more, I'm not sure MJ would have been picked the favorite by so many people...

Bailey took several years off, working as a stock broker, then made the huge return to the track. I've never seen any mention of whether he took those years completely off or if he just kept a lower profile. It's really rather amazing he didn't draw more suspicion with his late career comeback.

Dan

Conway · Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2002 2:27 pm Post subject:

Well can't complain about him being a stock broker .. Smile

.. But I too was always surprised that nothing was ever said abaout his sudden rise to prominence .. Especially given that he was from Canada and somewhat on the heels of Ben Johnson ..

[ This Message was edited by: Conway on 2002-03-13 14:53 ]

Dan · Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:36 am Post subject:

I was also bothered by how vehemently Bailey disparaged Ben, obviously to prove his own innocense. I cannot help but believe the people who speak out the strongest against drugs are often guilty themselves and think the childish reverse psychology ploy will escape analysis... Wasn't Szabo unofficially implicated in the home drug bust of the Italian doctor a few years ago? Yet, she was one of the most outspoken against Yegorova last year. Dieter Baumann was publicly anti-drugs, but he got stung by the toothpaste scandal... No way to know one way or the other, but it's all very fishy. Sad

Dan

Conway · Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2002 12:02 pm Post subject:

I agree with you 100% .. My favorite is Carl Lewis who yelled and screamed against it yet had many "eye witnesses" speak out on his supposed use !!! My question is "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there does it still make a noise ??" ... Smile

Distance_Guru · Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:16 pm Post subject:

Have there really been eye witnesses saying Carl used drugs? I spend most of my time in the world of distance so I haven't heard all the juicy rumors about a lot of the sprinters. I've heard those kind of rumors about Christie (sp?), and Mo Greene, but Carl "I don't think that record can be broken by anyone clean" Lewis, this is news to me. So do tell!!

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Conway · Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2002 8:26 am Post subject:

Oh Carl threatened law suits against several individuals who made statements about his drug use .. Most notable of them was Darrell Robinson (HS 400 record holder) .. Carl called Darrell out publicly as Darrell had made statements about specifics of Carl's use .. Carl threatened a 13 or $15 Million law suit against Darrell which effectively shut him up .. It also shut up several lesser lights who were making more "quiet" comments about Carl's purported drug use ..

Also notable, but kept much more quiet, was Kirk Baptiste's leaving of SMTC the year after the 84 Olympics .. Rumors were rife on two issues - one Kirk's abhorence of the drug use of the group; two that Kirk was not compensated as promised for NOT winning the 200 at the games .. Sad

Dan · Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2002 8:31 am Post subject:

Like Conway said, lots of rumors that no one can really prove or wanted to risk trying to prove. I've heard a number of grapevine type rumors (friend of a friend who worked with the coach...) from sources I trust, but nothing I can substantiate. HGH was supposedly put to good use by Carl, as evidenced by the trainsition from straight teeth to braces.

Dan

Conway · Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2002 8:42 am Post subject:

Yes braces became one of the staples of the SMTC .. Orthodontists did well by them ... But again nothing of substantiation .. But up until "money" became an issue rumors were rife ..

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