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Dan
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| Quote: | NO other aspect of trackAND field gets that kind of assistance ..
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What about stadiums that are designed for the most advantageous jav/discus winds or situated such that the sprints typically have a tailwind (or more often always a headwind  )? Or rock hard tracks... That would seem at least as advantageous. Tougher to control, to be sure, but still a major source of assistance that is probably even less within the spirit of competition and the pursuit of records.
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Micah Ward
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I have mixed feelings on this one. The topic also comes up with women runners in road races and whether or not they are being paced by men. While a rabbit or pacer may make it easier to run a faster pace, the bottom line is that the runner using the rabbit still has to run the race. The rabbit ain't carrying anybody on his back.
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Dan
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Women getting pacing assistance from men is a different matter, in my opinion. If you're going to allow that, then men ought to be able to receive pacing from cars or horses...
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But again...the pacer ain't carrying anybody...the individual runner still has to run the pace being set....
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| Dan wrote: | What about stadiums that are designed for the most advantageous jav/discus winds or situated such that the sprints typically have a tailwind (or more often always a headwind )? Or rock hard tracks... That would seem at least as advantageous. Tougher to control, to be sure, but still a major source of assistance that is probably even less within the spirit of competition and the pursuit of records.
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Stadiums aren't built to take advantage of the winds typically ... They are all mostly built north/south I think and some areas just have more favorable wind conditions ... But lately tracks have been engineered for speed and you know I am against that ... Especially when they are torn down after 2 competitions ... The one thing about "special stadiums and tracks" is that given available competitions anyone can go there and fgive it a shot ... My problem with Atlanta is that no one else can do that now ... So Mo or Gatlin or Tim or no one else can take advantage of what was obviously the fastest track ever built ... MJ never again got remotely close and was obviously in as good or better condition after that !!!!!
But pacing goes beyond all that .... Its not about what you bring to the table ... It is about what you and your crew bring to the table ... Pacing signifies group effort not individual effort ... And that is my problem with it ...
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Dan
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| Quote: | | But again...the pacer ain't carrying anybody...the individual runner still has to run the pace being set.... |
Yeah, but if you allow those "foreign" pace setters, you're changing the nature of the event. Why even have age-group and separate sex races then?
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Dan
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I know of one stadium (recently torn down) that was definitely built with winds in mind and I've heard of a few others, but you're probably right that it isn't a very common thing. Just pointing out that there are all sorts of assistance...  Same reason I'm not terribly in favor of altitude and wind adjustments. Just too many uncontrollable factors to pretend some can be accounted for meaningfully.
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