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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Pace Charts now added to the Statistics section Reply with quote

http://run-down.com/statistics/pace_charts.php

Just a little something I was playing around with last night for workouts... I did it just for 1500/3k pace stuff, but figured I'd post a version with 800, 5k, and 10k included, as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool charts...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... please bear with me! I am too slow for your 3k and 10 k charts Embarassed
45:99 for 10 K: oh my gosh, I would do almost everything for it Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might need to build in a page spanning setup of some sort to allow for larger time ranges without bogging it down. The 10k page is already a bit slow loading with 26-46 minutes. Maybe show 10 minutes per page, regardless of event?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
I might need to build in a page spanning setup of some sort to allow for larger time ranges without bogging it down. The 10k page is already a bit slow loading with 26-46 minutes. Maybe show 10 minutes per page, regardless of event?

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That would be nice -- I guess.
One helpful hint: I have noticed that there are groups of runners in any event (ability--level wise).
Let say 5 K:
I call them de facto:

pros running under 18--teen minutes;
semi-pros running under 21. minutes;
and elite amatuers under 24. minutes;
and others.

The same does apply to 10 K:

de facto pros under 40 minutes;
de facto semi-pros under 48 minutes;
de facto elite amatuers under 56 minutes;
and others ...

etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly is the hint? Confused It's no secret that there's a wide level of ability levels, regardless of what you call them...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
What exactly is the hint? Confused It's no secret that there's a wide level of ability levels, regardless of what you call them...

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Why not split the tables with respect to the ability groups or aberrations on the statistical continuum? There must be certain specific local medians with respect to the times that people achieve for a particular distance: sub--cohorts.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was starting to think of doing just that...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, those are awesome. So totally comprehensive. If I want to do a workout of, say, 800's or 1200's at 5K or 10K pace, I just consult the chart and head for the track!!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using them quite a bit for planning team workouts and double checking paces on the fly. I have a printed copy of the 800/1500/3k charts on hand at all times, with them narrowed down to the time range our kids are training at. Takes the guesswork out of calculating splits -- something I was never particularly good at even back when my brain was a number crunching machine.

It's also nice to be able to take a split, skim down the columns, and see what paces it corresponds to for various distances.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

very cool and a great idea
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan I have also been using some of you charts for my workouts. Do you want to create a chart for the 400m run with 100-200-300m splits at 80-95% intensity for my speed endurance days??? (I'm just kidding) I have such a chart but it is not as in depth as your's.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile Just tell me how to account for effort levels...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to copy my chart to the reply section but it didn't work. I believe that I have computed correctly but maybe not. I would value your imput.

lets take two 400m times 50s and 60s:
To get 90%, I took the time and multiplied it by 1.1 so 90% of 50s would be 55s and 90% of 60 would be 1:06. 80% would be calculated by multiplying the time by 1.2. I then figured out the paces for various workouts 300s--200s--100s and rounding them to the nearest second.

I tried to replicate the chart but it didn't work.

400m 90% 80% 300s 200s 100s
50 55 60 41-45 28-30 14-15
60 1:06 1:12
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see what you're getting at. Use % effort to calculate a new race pace, then use that to get interval paces. Sure, I can add another chart in for 400m. It means adding in a 100m column, which is of limited use for the longer stuff, but not worth omitting from the other charts, plus changing conditions for when to show splits longer than 1 lap...

http://run-down.com/statistics/pace_charts.php?d=400m

How's that?

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