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pierrejean · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 6:16 am Post subject: 4x200m

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Here is my collection of both Men's and Women's 4x200m Relay data.
Men's Best Relay Legs for a 4x2 Relay
4x2:
1st Leg,M.Marsh(USA) 20.06s,MSR Walnut 1994
2nd Leg,L.Burrell(USA) 19.63s MSR Walnut 1994
3rd Leg,F.Heard(USA) 19.59s MSR Walnut 1994
4th Leg,M.Johnson(USA) 18.5s,TexR Austin 1990
Note:The 4th Leg Split of MJ was listed in the 'Career of Michael Johnson' section in the Athletics 2002 Book,edited by Peter Matthews.
Total: 1m:17.78s
Women's Best Relay Legs for a 4x2 Relay
4x2:
1st Leg,L.Jenkins(USA) 22.13s,PennR 2000
2nd Leg,R.Muller(GDR) 21.62s Jena 1980
3rd Leg,C.Gaines(USA) 21.43s PennR 1997
4th Leg,M.Jones(USA) 20.80s PennR 2000
Note:The 4th leg Split for Marion Jones was listed in an Issue of Athletics Weekly a fortnight after the Record was made.
Total: 1m:25.98s

Splits of Women's 4x200m Relay World Record
PennR 2000. Note:These Splits were taken from a 42Hz Video recorded by my cousin on his vacation.So they might seem a bit slow compared to Splits that you might think the person might of run,if you catch my drift!
1st Leg,L.Jenkins(USA) 22.13s
2nd Leg,Colander-Richardson(USA) 22.59s(Suspicously Slow Split)
3rd Leg,N.Perry(USA) 21.94s
4th Leg,M.Jones(USA) 20.8s
Total:1m:27.46s(NWR)

Splits of Women's ex-World Record and current European Record
Jena 1980.Note:These Splits were taken from a 38HZ Video recorded again by cousin when he was at this meet in Jena 1980.
GDR Team,1m:28.15s(EuroR)
1st Leg,M.Gohr(GDR) 22.96s(Suspicously Slow Split)
2nd Leg,R.Muller(GDR) 21.62s
3rd Leg,B.Wockel(GDR) 21.99s(Quite Slow)
4th Leg,M.Koch(GDR) 21.58s
Total:1m:28.15s(EuroR)

British All-Time Relay Legs for a Men's 4x200m Relay
4x2:
1st Leg,M.Adam 20.38s ??? I've read this Split on a Forum,and as I haven't got any Faster 1st leg Splits for a Male Briton,I had to include it to the list!
2nd Leg,A.Mafe 19.99s Birmingham 1989
3rd Leg,L.Christie 19.89s Birmingham 1989
4th Leg,J.Regis 19.53s MSR Walnut 1994
Total: 1m:19.79s

Splits for each Leg of the Men's 4x200m World Record setting team. I also took the Splits for the World All-Stars team who happened to finish Second on that day,also finishing inside the Ex-World Record.
These Splits are taken from a TV show on the History of the 100m Sprint.It showed a Bio on Carl Lewis and it then went on to show his Best moments.And it happened to show the Santa Moinca Track club setting the 4x200m Men's World Record. Lucky me!!!
Santa Monica Track Club
1m:18.68s(NWR) MSR Walnut 1994
The Splits of both Teams are taken from a 47Hz tape.I know that the race was shown at this Hz,because when I went back to view the tape and to take the Splits of the team members I counted the Frames/s.
1st Leg,M.Marsh(USA) 20.06s
2nd Leg,L.Burrell(USA) 19.63s
3rd Leg,F.Heard(USA) 19.59s
4th Leg,C.Lewis(USA) 19.40s
Total:1m:18.68s(NWR)

World All-Stars Team
2nd Place,1m:19.10s MSR Walnut 1994
1st Leg,J.Drummond(USA) 20.09s
2nd Leg,D.Mitchell(USA) 19.84s
3rd Leg,Bridgewater(USA) 19.64s (Cannot remember his first name!!)
4th Leg,J.Regis(GBR) 19.53s
Total:1m:19.10s(Second Best All-Time mark)

So that concludes my Lists of 4x200m Relay data from a mixture of Hz Video-Tapes and Literature.
Do you have any data PJ??? I'm sure you do,if you do could we see it???
Please!!!
I do have some 4x2 and 4x4 Splits of Michael Johnson.They are listed in the Athletics 2002 Book,which has been called the 'Bible' of Track and Field Athletics!! I strongly believe that statement!! It is a great book for any Track and Field enthusiast. I have some 4x1 Splits of MJ,but I don't know if they are reliable enough.I'll check into it and see what I get. The 4x2 Splits and 4x4 Splits from that book are good.I shall post them and we can evaluate.
Later
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Pierre-Jean says:

I put this this appart in order to make things clearer.
The 30 fastest 200m legs i have found, from J-C Patinaud's book 4x100m Temps Automatiques 1932-1990, Track & Field News and ATFS Athletics Annuals (there are some differences with the split times you gave for Walnut'94):

18.5? Michael JOHNSON (1:21.77 Austin'90)
19.1 John REGIS (1:19.10 Walnut'94)
19.2 M.Johnson (1:21.50 Walnut'91)
19.2 Carl LEWIS (1:19.11 Philadelphia'92)
19.2 M.Johnson (1:19.47 Philadelphia'99)
19.2 Maurice GREENE (1:20.44 Austin'01)
19.3* Tommie SMITH (1:21.7* Fresno'67)
19.3 James GILKES (1:20.23 Tempe'78 )
19.3 Dennis MITCHELL (1:19.10 Walnut'94)
19.4 Tony DARDEN (1:21.8 Tempe'78 )
/10
19.4 Reynaldo NEHEMIAH (1:23.6 Philadelphia'79)
19.4 C.Lewis (1:21.84 Modesto'88 )
19.4 C.Lewis (1:18.68 Walnut'94)
19.5 Vernus RAGADALE (Walnut'64)
19.5* Curtis MILLS (1:21.3* Des Moines'70)
19.5 Herman FRAZIER (1:21.0 Tempe'78 )
19.5 Tony DEES (1:21.38 Tempe'90)
19.6* Don QUARRIE (1:20.7* Los Angeles'72)
19.6 Willie DECKARD (1:21.6* Walnut'72)
19.6e* Steve WILLIAMS (1:23.1 Fresno'74)
/20
19.6 William MULLINS (1:20.26 Tempe'78 )
19.6 C.Lewis (3:11.72 SpMedley Tempe'84)
19.6 C.Lewis (3:12.2 SpMedley Walnut'84)
19.6 Floyd HEARD (1:19.38 Koblenz'89)
19.6 C.Lewis (1:19.38 Koblenz'89)
19.6 Lary MYRICKS (1:21.40 Tempe'90)
19.6 F.Heard (1:22.98 Walnut'91)
19.6 Leroy BURRELL (1:18.68 Walnut'94)
19.6 M.Greene (1:19.92 Philadelphia'00)
19.6 M.Johnson (1:21.45 Berlin'01)

Note: Steve Williams was timed by several watches between 19.2* and 19.7* in Fresno'74 during 1:23.1*.

* yards times converted to meters.

The all-time list is for sub1:20 performances (average 20.00):
1:18.68 USA (Marsh 20.0, Burrell 19.6, Heard 19.7, Lewis 19.4) Walnut 170494
1:19.10 W (Drummond 20.4, Mitchell 19.3, Bridgewater 20.3, Regis 19.1) Walnut 170494
1:19.11 USA (Marsh 20.4, Burrell 19.7, Heard 19.8, Lewis 19.2) Philadelphia 250492
1:19.38 USA (Everett 20.2, Burrell 20.0, Heard 19.6, Lewis 19.6) Koblenz 230889
1:19.39 USA (Drummond, Crawford, Williams, Greene) Philadelphia 280401
1:19.45 USA (DeLoach, Burrell, Lewis, Heard) Philadelphia 270491
1:19.47 USA (Brokenburr, Harrison, Greene, Johnson 19.2) Philadelphia 240499
1:19.67 W (Frater, Williams, Patton, Collins) Philadelphia 290400
1:19.85 USA (Greene, A.Johnson, Harrison, M.Johnson) Philadelphia 250498
1:19.88 W (Thompson, Nordin, Henderson, Griffin) Austin 030499
1:19.91 W (Perry, Drummond, Boldon, Greene) Austin 030499
1:19.92 USA (Brokenburr 20.2, Howard 20.1, Griffin 20.0, Greene 19.6) Philadelphia 290400

Unofficial World Best progression
20.3 Henry CARR (Walnut 280462)
20.3 Henry CARR (Los Angeles 180562)
19.8 Henry CARR (Fresno 110563)
19.5 Vernus RAGADALE (Walnut 250464)
19.3* Tommie SMITH (Walnut 130567)
19.3 James GILKES (Tempe 270578)
18.5? Michael JOHNSON (Austin 060490)
19.2 Michael JOHNSON (Walnut 210491)
19.2 Carl LEWIS (Philadelphia 250492)
19.1 John REGIS (1:19.10 Walnut 170494)

For the women, i don't have enough data, the fastest i have are:
20.8 Marion JONES (1:27.46 Philadelphia'00)
21.2 M.Jones (1:30.23 Philadelphia'99)
21.9 Nanceen PERRY (1:31.90 Austin'98 )
22.0 Sonia LANNAMAN (1:31.57 London'77)
22.1 Sevatheda FYNES (1:31.13 Philadelphia'99)

For the Women World Record, I have found those splits from my tape:
1:27.46 Jenkins 22.8, Colander-Richardson 22.0, Perry 21.9, Jones 20.83.

X King, I still don't understand where those 47, 38, 42HZ tapes come from... It makes no sense. Especially for those 4x200m races, those value mean that it is slow motion. I don't think TV show this kind of races in slow motion all the way... Especially at those "fast" slow motion speeds Confused

X King · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:43 am Post subject: Re: 4x200m

pierrejean · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:59 am Post subject:

Oh i would love to see 4x200m relay in major championships, as well as 4x800m, or medlay relays, and intermediate events like 150m, 300m, 500m, 600m, 1000m, but 1 week isn't enough for that big program! I think also the spectators would be lost with all those events, and all those medals!
I think those events are just fun for statisticians, as long as the level of those events are poorer than Olympic events.

I surely miss many other sub19.7 legs in my list, we have also to be careful with those times, often the track configuration doesn't permit to see clearly the 200m marks between the exchange zones, and most of those times are hand times. Track & Field News reports for example that for Maurice Greene in Austin'2001, hand watches had his leg in 18.8, but they say that film analysis showed it was actually around 19.2.
Same for 18.5 by MJ. I don't pay much attention to that, maybe there was a lot of wind, but it seems "too" fast for me.

Dan · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:01 am Post subject:

pierrejean · Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 11:59 pm Post subject:

I agree with you, seeing any kind of relays from the crowds is a great show! I've seen once PennR on TV (in 2000), it was very pleasant to see!

X King · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:09 am Post subject:

PJ,Dan or anyone viewing this topic,have you ever seen a Shuttle Hurdles Relay??? The Men's Relay is 4x110mh, and the Women's Relay is 4x100mh. I think they are interesting,but I've never seen one either in the flesh or on TV.I wonder where the exchange zones are???
Does anyone have any Splits of either of those Relays???
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X King · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:13 am Post subject:

PJ could you have a look at the Field House Forums please??? As I am sure that you have some data for the Questions that I ask. Thankyou! Very Happy

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Dan · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:32 am Post subject:

Conway · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:05 pm Post subject:

Oh the shuttle hurdles can be very exciting at the elite level ... Used to see it a bit in the 70's and early 80's ... But money in the sport made it too much of a financial risk I think ...

As for relays in general THAT would help bring fans to the track ... Nothing beats the excitement generated by relays !!!!
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