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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: ___One time fault start rule would be unfair because an athl Reply with quote

___One time fault start rule would be unfair because an athlete may start without the gun anticipation faster than 0.10 second. I believe that if the one fault start rule would be introduced, it shall be limited only to the finals and the semifinals of the major international competition such as world and Olympic championships, and that when the one fault start rule is used, the regulation time of 0.10 second shall be lowered to 0.05 second for a fault start after the gun sounds--off.
___I would like you to make an experiment: please, try to start and stop a stop watch about 100 times. I did it a few times . . . And even I was able to start and stop the watch on a few attempts within in between 0.07 to 0.09 seconds.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would like you to make an experiment: please, try to start and stop a stop watch about 100 times. I did it a few times . . . And even I was able to start and stop the watch on a few attempts within in between 0.07 to 0.09 seconds.

That's not a fair experiment, because you have anticipation on your side. A better aproximation would be to have a running watch, then have someone tell you to stop it and see how much time passes between their command and you doing so.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would like you to make an experiment: please, try to start and stop a stop watch about 100 times. I did it a few times . . . And even I was able to start and stop the watch on a few attempts within in between 0.07 to 0.09 seconds.

That's not a fair experiment, because you have anticipation on your side. A better aproximation would be to have a running watch, then have someone tell you to stop it and see how much time passes between their command and you doing so.

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You have a point.
However, my absolute P.B. was 0.03 second and 0.04 second within about 400 attempts.
I will try to do the same with an aid. However, I am not going to use somebody. People get bored quickly.
The ideal situation would occur, if a machine would both start the time and give the command to stop the stop watch.
Any ideas how to go about this?
Mine is a one time alarm and a stop watch put together.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would require some pretty elaborate testing machinery... You'd need something to emit the "stop" beep, and keep an accurate count of elapsed time -- moreso than the average stopwatch's accuracy. Then, you'd need a stopwatch with an output wired to the machine so it knows when you hit the button (for calculating elapsed time). Simply going by sound would reintroduce the inaccuracies the experiment is hoping to eliminate...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this is really for naught ... The whole premise in trying to change the original rule is wrong ... The powers that be want to change the rule to "speed up the meet" ... Wrong premise ... Wrong reason ...

The sprints are the most exciting races on the schedule ... They are the reason the majority of folk are in the stands ... People come to see the matchups ... And if you can't keep them on the track (by trowing them out) then you are defeating your own purpose ...

The original rule was just fine - two false starts and you're out ... They should just leave it alone ...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep wondering why the committees want to "eliminate gamesmanship" in the sprints and hurdles, when that's largely the competitive spectacle people are there for.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
I keep wondering why the committees want to "eliminate gamesmanship" in the sprints and hurdles, when that's largely the competitive spectacle people are there for.

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The highest point of the discussion. The sprints are about tactics and strategy. Dan -- you are right, and so is Conway.
There is a reason why the fast and inexperienced athletes almost never win any major competition.
The so--called "head games" are part of the sport.
I, however, would like to disagree that most people come for the sprints. I believe that as many people come for the half-a-mile, the mile, the steeple chase, and the field events combined.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and no.

Most who attend track meets have their own favourite events be it 100m, the mile or pole-vault but the general public who would normally not ever watch track are always facinated by sprints. Its the aura surrounding speed, thats why the 100m is known as the blue riband event of the olympics.

As for the old rule. I think it was fair and so what if it delayed a meet. It would be unfortunate for someone to go all the way to a meet to see an olympic champion run only to see him exit for one false start and thus denying the viewer a good race or head to head.

Two false starts your out. Fair enough because you need to get your act together by now.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan wrote:
I keep wondering why the committees want to "eliminate gamesmanship" in the sprints and hurdles, when that's largely the competitive spectacle people are there for.

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I keep coming back to describing the sprints as an old fashioned shoot out ... Fastest Gun in the West kinda competition ... So, yes, a big part of it lies in the anticipation ... Trying to get that slight edge ... No such thing as everything beign even ... Some people have sharper reflexes ... Some longer strides ... Some hold their speed better ... Nature of the game ... But THAT's what people come to see ...

They want to see if Ben Johnson can get that great start and whether or not Carl Lewis can run him down ... They want to see if Mo can hit that gear and separate from the pack ... These aren't evenly matched slot cars on a track ... They are human beings who are each trying to do their best to out duel the others ...

The 100 is THE high point to any meet (outside a great mile/1500 field) ... They should just let it play out instead of trying to control it !!!! Can you imagine Doc Holiday and Billy the Kid with sensors on their guns ?!?!?!?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shh, we're building too much excitement here... Neutral

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the rule is bad, but it should be kept.
However, in the championshipócompetition level every athlete could be allowed on fault-start at most per race, and two fault-starts at most during the entire competition from the elimination heats trough quarter and semifinals to the final.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:25 am    Post subject: A new rule? Reply with quote

Hey--let keep the rule as it is; however, assign to any offender a permanent yellow card -- if he or she repeats the offense again in any other heat in the same event in the same competition (e.g., World Championships; the dashers some times go through six rounds to participate in the final), he or she should receive the red card and be disqualified.
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