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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Sprint time trials Reply with quote

Does anyone know of any famous time trials made by sprinters either in training or outside of official/sanctioned competitions. I have a few. Allan Wells, windy 19.8 at Gateshead 1986. Ben Johnson 6.35 60m, 11.78 120m, 14.68 150m (not sure if auto or hand). I've heard a lot about Borzov and Wells' time trials and would like to know more about them.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Johnson supposedly ran a 18.5 4x200 relay split while at Baylor.

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found a few more interesting time trials. Ray Norton ran a pair of 6.0 60y in 1960(outdoors). Dennis Johnson 7.3 75y (equal to best at that time) 1961. Charlie Paddock 9.4 100y (5.0+ 50y) not sure of year maybe 1922. Linford Christie 10.86w 110m 1988. Tommie Smith 34.5 352y 1967 - just prior to his WR 440y. Warren Edmonson 11.9 120m 1977. Barney Ewell 9.6 102y 1950 (Pro running in Australia) and Armin Hary 9.3 100m running start 1958/60.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do find info like that?
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've obtained most of this information from athletic magazines, annuals, coaching periodicals, track & field books and just browsing the net.
Obviously most time trials should be taken with a grain of salt. Hardly ever are wind conditions known or if qualified timers & methods employed.
Time trials have been used over the years to enhance reputations, pump up ego's and to intimidate rivals. However, genuine time trials have been used to measure the fitness levels of many athletes prior to major competitions and in relaxed and neutral environments great athletic performances have been made. This is what I'm interested in.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice info. ar - I love seeing new numbers being quoted. Got any more information like that? I've heard Charlie Francis talking about Ben Johnson running fast 100m, 120m & 150m in training leading up to Seoul 1988 (9.19 (standing start), 11.1x & 14.00 with hand-timing from first-motion - Francis worked this out to be 0.65 quicker than FAT so the times are equivalent to 9.84 (standing start), 11.75 & 14.65 with FAT)

Mo has run 9.78 (with +0.24 ht conversion) in training '00 and said last year that he had run a training PR before the US Trials (the actual time was never given)

MJ has been quoted as to having some very fast 350m timetrials in training ahead of his 43.18WR at Sevilla '99 WC which indicated to him and Coach Hart that he was in 42.9 shape
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found a couple by Borzov that have caused quite a stir on some threads - you may already have seen them. A 9.6-9.7 time trial recorded by a U.S coach at Munich 72' and a 24.1 250m off a rolling start also 72'. The 9.6-9.7 seems a little generous even for a sprinter like Borzov. The 24.1 is not beyond the realms of possibility. It is not hard to imagine Borzov, who was in 19.8h shape in 72' running splits of 9.3+9.6+5.2. Or, to look at it another way - 24.1 with a rolling start is approx. worth 25.34 out of blocks, Michael Johnson ran 25.28 (5.17 b/n 200-250m) enroute to his 30.85 300m WR and I'm sure Borzov (at his brilliant best) could have kept pace for 250 of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ar wrote:
I've found a couple by Borzov that have caused quite a stir on some threads - you may already have seen them. A 9.6-9.7 time trial recorded by a U.S coach at Munich 72' and a 24.1 250m off a rolling start also 72'. The 9.6-9.7 seems a little generous even for a sprinter like Borzov. The 24.1 is not beyond the realms of possibility. It is not hard to imagine Borzov, who was in 19.8h shape in 72' running splits of 9.3+9.6+5.2. Or, to look at it another way - 24.1 with a rolling start is approx. worth 25.34 out of blocks, Michael Johnson ran 25.28 (5.17 b/n 200-250m) enroute to his 30.85 300m WR and I'm sure Borzov (at his brilliant best) could have kept pace for 250 of them.


I've heard of Borzov's 9.6-9.7 timetrials from the T&FN Boards. I doubt that Borzov did 9.6-9.7 [even if it was hand-timed - if so, it would be the equivalent to 9.84-9.94FAT] which seems too fast. I would say that Borzov was in 10.02-10.04 shape as he did ease-up in his QF on the way to runnin 10.07 [+0.0] so a 9.8HT would've been more believable

I see Borzov as a better duece sprinter rather than 100m. His 20.00 at low alt. with the ease-up + celebration is worth close to 19.90 at max. effort - with that form in mind, I see no problem with him runnin 25.34 for a 250m. Also, If MJ ran in a 250m race in his prime he'd have probably broken 25.00 such was the quality of his speed-endurance
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